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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:58 pm
by K4VD
John provided me with a very similar formula. In Excel it is:

=B2/LOG(C2/0.001, 10)

Where:
B2 is SCORE
C2 is POWER

In both cases, the places in the current SKS would change only slightly. In each case (marked by *), a lower power station rose above a higher power station when the point spread was close.

Interesting!

PLACE
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3 *
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9 *
7 *
8 *
11 *
10 *
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21 *
19 *
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:39 pm
by nn8b
If you guys want my test spreadsheet, be happy to send it to you.
You can mess with the formulas and stuff to see the results

I checked the weekend spring results and saw the same as you. the QRP station would have moved up a spot.

The factors can be developed for all power levels, just takes a little time. Maybe a guy that knows Excel better than me can make it figure the factors in an array. I havn't progressed that far yet.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:25 pm
by NT9K
Thank you all for working on the formulas. Please continue to try and find a way to level the QRP playing field. To keep things rolling, I felt I had to do something. So, for now I'd like to have 2 catagories. We can give it a try and continue working on a better way. I posted more on yahoo.

I'd like suggestions for a theme that would include beginners or maybe members who have never participated in a sprint. Something to think about.

There is still time to tweak the Junkbox theme if anyone sees problems. I want everyone to have input. Thank you all for helping me!

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:24 pm
by af2z
NT9K wrote:Thank you all for working on the formulas. Please continue to try and find a way to level the QRP playing field. To keep things rolling, I felt I had to do something. So, for now I'd like to have 2 catagories. We can give it a try and continue working on a better way. I posted more on yahoo.



Bill,

I've been playing with this also on a spreadsheet that features up to six multipliers for different power output levels. It is kind of interesting...

Anyway, the spreadsheet contains the cumulative data from all the past SKCC sprints (but only entries reporting a power output): about 150 entries in all. That might be pretty useful if you ever want to re-visit this topic. Plus the spreadsheet has macros to sort the data by callsign, power, points, multi-points, and nr. of QSOs. It could be easily adapted to the dB gain considerations that Don NN8B and others were considering.

I think I will continue to add sprint data as it comes in. So, in case you need it in spreadsheet format, let me know. I would just suggest that you continue to ask people to supply their power output figures on their entries, whatever way you decide to manage the scoring. That will give us some interesting data to look at in the future.

73,
Drew

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:30 pm
by NT9K
Thanks Drew, it would be great to keep running them as side comparisons. I think we could all learn something from those numbers. I want to work on the submission process as soon as I can find some time. Right now, it emails me a copy of the entry and appends it to a flat file. I figure that I can change the way it writes the file, delimiting it. Then the results page is a script that looks at that file and calculates the scores, puts them in the correct table location based on thier score and power field. Builds the page on the fly. Nobody would have to wait to see results and it would eliminate any errors I commit retyping entries.

If the formulas could be worked out, the script could automatically do the math. After I get the flat file working, I can supply you with the data link for your spreadsheets. The hardest part of doing the sprint is the results page. Once I can automate it and get everyone to submit via the form an not email, we will have alot more time to work on it and the themes.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:48 pm
by nn8b
After a couple of weekend sprints, I think it is a good thing. I like being able to pick my operating times.

The only dislike is the 4 hour run all at one time.
Would you consider making it any 4 one hour periods?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:56 am
by NT9K
Sure, I would like to keep an open mind and consider all the options. The slot window hasn't accomplished what I thought it would. I had hoped that it would spread out the action from Saturday night into Sunday but it seems like most of the scores submitted come from Saturday night. Your idea might just be what is needed to get members more active during the daylight hours on Sunday.

Do you think having 4, 1 hr slots would be too complex? Maybe two slots 2 hours each would accomplish the same thing? Honestly, I don't know what the solution is but we can always try things, even if we test an idea as a theme.

Lets talk about this some more please. Anyone else like to comment?

Week End Sprints

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:12 pm
by n1vwd
Please keep up the good work you are doing with your weekend sprints.
I am new to SKCC and I am working on my Century Club certificate. I am
hoping that the 24 hour event the first of each month, the monthly Sprint and of course your weekend sprint will help me get there.
So far I have only had success with the monthly Sprint. I can not seem to crack the first of the month event or the weekend 24 hour events. I scan the published SKCC freq's +/_ 10KHz for an hour two or three times during the event but can not find any ops calling CQ SKCC, CQ SKS or CQ SK during the 0000Z to 2359Z which would be 8:00pm EDST on saturday till 7:59pm on sunday, so if all of the above is correct is there a
place I could find the logs of the last couple of week end sprints to find the best times / freq's so I can figure out how to catch up with everybody
or if this has already been done could I see the results? I am not ask for an edge, I just want to get into the game.
During the April 1st 24 hour event I scanned 40m and 80m from 0000Z
till 0145Z and I found a plethora of QCWA members having an event.

Re: Week End Sprints

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:54 pm
by af2z
n1vwd wrote:Please keep up the good work you are doing with your weekend sprints.
I am new to SKCC and I am working on my Century Club certificate. I am
hoping that the 24 hour event the first of each month, the monthly Sprint and of course your weekend sprint will help me get there.
So far I have only had success with the monthly Sprint. I can not seem to crack the first of the month event or the weekend 24 hour events.


Hi Brad,

The WedZ 2-hr sprint is the original one. Since it is only two hours long that pretty much tells you "when". The most active bands currently are 40 & 80: 7055 and 3050 kHz +/- 5 kHz, or so, for the most part.

The "First of the Month" event doesn't get the participation it should, for some reason. So that's probably why you're not hearing much.

The new weekend contest seems to start off with a bang for the first couple of hours; again, on 80 and 40 mostly. I imagine the next most active time would be Sunday afternoon & evening, but I haven't had a chance to operate at that time yet so can't say for sure.

Which, brings me to a suggestion: I wonder if the weekend contest could be extended for about 4 more hours into sunday evening? That would might be a potentially busy "2nd" chance for those who miss Saturday evening. Guess that would make it a 28-hour event; would that be a problem?

73,
Drew

Re Weekend Sprints

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:06 pm
by n1vwd
Hi Drew
Thank you very much for the reply. I like your idea and would like to offer
one of mine for consideration, if a large portion of the sprint participants
are using the first part of Saturday pm for the sprint and seem to be busy
on Sundays during the day, how about splitting the sprint into two four hour parts. Four hours Saturday pm and four hours Sunday pm, use your
best four hours for score. I am not trying to upset the apple cart, I just
want to offer an idea. How does everybody else feel?
Tnx es 73
Brad N1VWD

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:04 pm
by NT9K
Sorry for the delay in posting, I'm going through some medical issues and haven't been able to write. I've been thinking about the slot window and the ideas that were suggested so far. Since we only have 2 sprints in the books, maybe it's too early to make changes. I'm not opposed to making changes it's just that I don't think we have enough info to base our decisions on yet.

I think the problem is everyone wants to work as many as possible so they try and get the 4 hours in at the start. Only the hardcore contesters and the ones who didn't fill thier slot the night before seem to be on during the day Sunday. I had hoped that the DX members would entice people to use the high bands during the daytime hours.

I've also been working on the next theme. Awhile back Don mentioned April was Samuel Morse's Birthday but I had been wanting to do something for the new members.

Weekend Sprint Theme April 22nd, 2007

Celebrating the Birthday of Samuel F.B. Morse and welcoming new sprinters.

Spell Samuel Finley Breese Morse for 100 pts bonus:
From the QSO's you have, use any letters from the callsigns to spell out "Samuel Finley Breese Morse" and add 100 points to your bonus. Letters can be used more than once. Example, for letter E, you only need to work one callsign with an "E". You may use any callsigns you worked in the 24 hour period.

First timers 25 pts bonus:
If you have never participated in a "Weekend Sprint", add 25 points to your bonus. (You may have participated in the regular sprint) Sprinting is easy and all skill levels are welcome.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:53 pm
by NT9K
Thanks Dick, for the Weekend sprint ideas. I hadn't even thought about
a name for it yet but your right, it shouldn't be a "junkbox" sprint.
If you don't mind, I'd like to copy this message to the forum. As for
the slot window. I'm not happy with the way it has been working out.
Don NN8B, had suggested breaking it into 4 one hour slots. Doing it
that way, a person could still submit a continuous 4 hour log window
if they had a hot streak. My concern is that some might find it too
complex but I like the idea myself.

73, Bill - NT9K

--- In skcc@yahoogroups.com, "k2rfp" <rnpav@...> wrote:
>
> I see that for the second Junkbox Sprint a whole month will be
> allowed for building a key. I don't think that is in the true
> spirit of the Junkbox theme. I started building my key at the
> start of the sprint and had it slapped together in about ten
> minutes. It took about half an hour to adjust it to my slow
> fist but it worked out fine.
>
> With a whole month to build I would expect to see some really
> fine machined marvels being produced and stuff being used that
> would not normally be found in someone's junkbox . Lacking a
> machine shop and a keen eye and steady hand I'd be left out on
> the building part of the sprint. So I think this one month to
> build idea should be for a "Craftsman's Sprint" or some other
> name and keep the original junkbox idea as it is.
>
> Just my 2 cents..
>
> Also, about the four-hour window for the sprints.. 80 m might
> be good for four hours in the evening and 40 and 20 m might be
> good for four hours in the afternoon. So how about allowing
> either the four-hour sliding window or two two-hour windows?
>
> Dick. k2rfp skcc-2099c

Rule change

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:33 am
by NT9K
I will be making a rule change effective for the May Weekend Sprint. Below is a section of the rules pertaining to bonus, please note the addition of 25 points bonus for working a Tribune.

One QSO point for each station worked per band.
One multiplier for each SPC worked per Sprint.
Ten bonus points are awarded for each Centurion per band.
25 bonus points are awarded for each Tribune per band.
25 bonus points are awarded for working the SKCC club call per band.

Weekend Sprint Sunday May 27th 0000-2359z

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:15 am
by NT9K
Sprint Theme: The Golden Key Marathon

All normal rules and bonus apply except:
1) NO SLOT WINDOW for this sprint.
2) 100 point bonus if you work a golden key from each call area 0-9.

There are LTA-SKCC club keys in all call areas and are listed in the
NN8B key registry in the yahoo files section. Hopefully, someone from
each call area will participate?

Exchange:
Name, State, SKCC nr and key number (if using one)
Bill FL nr 1926c Key nr 37

Reminder:
Working one of the 3 Tribunes is worth 25pts bonus per band.
W8III, AA2XB and KG4W

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:56 pm
by NT9K
I eliminated the rule that said we couldn't use any spotting networks. It is ok to use the K3UK SKCC Sked page during the weekend sprints.

New Idea For Weekend Sprint

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:53 pm
by KJ7BS
Let's have a team weekend sprint. Everyone operates and turns in individual scores, but the scores are accumulated by the last digit in your membership number, Odd vs. Even. Let's see which team comes out on top.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:11 am
by NT9K
Hi Mark, I like that concept. I looked at all the past results and it appears that the even number team could possibly have the edge. Maybe we figure a way to split the teams up differently? Maybe the first letter of your first name, then split the alphabet in half. Lots of Bill's, Bob's and Don's for the first team and plenty of Jim's, Johns and Tom's for the other team. Really need to look at the past results to try and get an even split.

I think for the next one, we will try and split the slot window into 2 parts. Any 2 separate continuous 2 hr windows. Thanks for posting your idea. It sounds like another winner!